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I mean, this sounds way simpler than anything else

6:45 PM

unless, again, double processing

[Dual processing in a physical sense wouldn't really brake my model. It would just make 2 threads of thought intervened in focus exist instead of 1]

To be clear - that theory is entirely in practical rather than technical terms.

yeah

I'm trying to explain to my friend that me and my tulpa are different. As in its not just me acting differently. He thinks of it as a "mental shift". He seems to think it's just me suddenly thinking differently. He has known about Wolf for maybe a month or more, but he still connects us and what we say/do more then I'd like.

than* (I'm sorry, I'm just a spelling freak)

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6:58 PM

also, I'm kinda n00b here, I'd help you but peeps have told me to call other more experienced peeps

6:58 PM

but everyone's hogging the #general-chat over a heated debate

6:59 PM

I'm not an 'experienced peep', nor a model citizen, but I'll listen.

@Syfar System It sounds as if he is conflating "you" and "your body".

yeee

7:01 PM

I just tried to explain it, and he said 'I understands' (edited)

7:01 PM

I hope so...?

(the technical discussion of the difference or similarity put aside for the moment, for anyone else joining)

7:01 PM

Perhaps you could wear a visible trinket of some kind to demonstrate that it is one of you or the other?

Oooo, intersting idea

I used to do that with a rose necklace - and still do for people I am not frequently interacting with in person.

But he is online

I (as an non-experienced peep, don't quote me on this) would just say like "yo, my body's kinda like a computer, and "I" am Paint, they are Notepad, both running @ the same time"

7:05 PM

"we are both different, like, you wouldn't use notepad to edit a picture, would you?"

I too used the computer analogy.

(I mean, that's kinda doable if you'll nitpick every single bit, but y'know what I'm thinking) (edited)

But now I sort of think of the body as a ship, and Wolf and I and riding on/in it. (edited)

yeah

7:06 PM

a car analogy is great too

Yep

I would agree with your friend, really.

what do you mean?

I agree that a tulpa is nothing more than the same person changing contexts and thinking differently, feeling differently, and interacting differently.

well, I guess so

On a technical level, sure... but that is not what was implied by him.

car analogy is dualism, fyi

I am unsure what was implied, then.

7:10 PM

From what you said, I would agree.

it's an analogy, not a complete explanation

It's a fundamentally flawed one if you're not a dualist.

wait, 2 people can drive a car?

Which is why i pointed it out so that if people are questioning it, they know that it's not a universal stance and is in fact one of a few stances on consciousness

I felt like he was seeing Wolf and I's* viewpoints and words as coming from the same place in my mind, rather then 'two different places'. Despite it technically all being in my mind. (edited)

yeah, but that's just saying like "bro, these 2 apps are the same, they share the same processor!"

7:12 PM

that's wrong

7:12 PM

and you should feel bad

7:12 PM

etc.

Hah. The car analogy is simply a way to view it and is certainly not meant to be taken literally.

yeah, that too

I am unusure what you mean by your thoughts coming from different places.

One person can steer and one can brake/gas

7:13 PM

xD

I am certainly happy to provide a disclaimer of such whenever I provide that analogy, hah.

7:14 PM

@Syfar System Online, for practical purposes, I would certainly try to use some clear differentiating method of speaking.

they mean like, different contexts

We do.

That said, it does also depend on what sense they are treating you as the same person.

7:14 PM

If it is in the context of you and them knowing the same things, that is perfectly reasonable.

7:14 PM

If it is in the context of you two holding the same views, it isn't.

7:14 PM

If it is in the context of you two bearing responsibility for each other's actions, it similarly is.

I think it would be more unreasonable to not expect them to treat you as the same person.

"responsibility for each other's actions" I feel this one applies most.

yeah

7:15 PM

n00bs be n00bs

?

as in, many people don't understand the whole tulpa thing @ first

If wolf says he likes cake, I don't want my friend thinking I like cake.

7:16 PM

As an example

yeah, IK, but it's not exactly wrong for a person which has never perceived the context of a tulpa before to instantly assume everything correctly

That is certainly more reasonable.

you just have to steer them

But then, that would be in terms of views rather than responsibility for actions, hah.

[We don't really believe in us being responsible for each others actions. That said we do consider the consequences of our actions upon each other.]

And, @Deleted User is certainly correct.

I feel like it is very entitled to expect separate treatment from anyone outside of this community. (edited)

7:19 PM

I would just expect to be treated the same, especially in certain circumstances, even within this community.

I mean, in-system communism rocks I mean, it's a great ideology 10/10, would split up system todos between thoughtforms again

7:19 PM

but that's another story

You are the strange one here, not them.

7:20 PM

Even within the community I would expect this to some degree. If I cheated on my boyfriend, I would expect him to also break up with Angel.

Well... I think he will get it. Because he is an otherkin, so he is used to things , being differnt in the mind? Idk.

[That's why you need a separate account/the bot. Make it harder for people to treat you as the same as your system members. I am just too lazy for the former.]

g'luck I guess

A differnt account is hard, because then you gota logout/in

7:21 PM

I'm to lazy.

[Is it too lazy or to lazy? It's the later right. We can never remember spelling of anything]

too lazy

7:23 PM

to [x] -> to a location or to do something

7:23 PM

too [x] -> over [x] or and [x] (edited)

[Yay! That's how I was thinking]

It is "too" here, yes.

tbh, I had never seen set or wolf talk

7:24 PM

let's talk in lounge!

7:24 PM

I wanna see more cute tulpas!

Use /nick.

Excuse me, Winter?

Ah. Instead of alternative accounts.

7:35 PM

@Syfar System.

7:35 PM

If it is in PM, that is harder.

7:35 PM

But in a server, /nick is perfectly functional. It even stores the logs of who is who.

7:36 PM

For example.

[History becomes wrong. And both of us want to speak every second sentence sometimes.]